[Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations estimated at 36

[J Bryan Kramer]

>
> Some are. Dolphins, some birds, octopi, pass the mirror test.
> They are sentient beings.
>

Something like 60 to 80% of psychological articles cannot be reproduced.
And then there is the profit motive on the part of researchers, need more
grants. So when I see a dolphin expound on the fundamental law of Calculus
then I'll consider it to be sentient.

BK

“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by
one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
Edmund Burke

J Bryan Krämer       North Florida, USA
photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner


On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 6:28 PM Tim Fisher <nospam at orerockon.com> wrote:

> Yeah well tell that to New Zealand.
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/animal-emotions/201506/new-zealand-declares-animals-be-sentient-bans-testing
> Not saying I agree!
>
> Tim Fisher
> Http://OreRockOn.com
> Email nospam at orerockon.com
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rockhounds [mailto:rockhounds-bounces at rockhounds.drizzle.com] On
> Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations
> estimated at 36
>
> Octopus, apes, porpoises and crows are all smart ANIMALS, Sentient they
> are not.
>
> > The loss of life associated with the US space program is very
> > unfortunate but many new technology or major engineering programs are
> > expected to cost lives.
> > [Axel] I'm concerned about that way of thinking... It's like the
> > saying 'you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs'. I would find
> > it alarming if people who adhere to that creed would climb to power.
> > People are not eggs. NASA sent seven manned  Apollo missions to the
> > moon. One of those survived miraculously... So, the odds of going to
> > the moon safely are stacked in your favor for 85,7 %. See how many
> candidates you get.
> >
>
> Axel obviously you have not been to engineering school. Every major
> bridge, tunnel or major building has an expected loss of life calculated,
> reduced to monetary value and added into the predicted cost of the project.
> The Mont Blanc Tunnel in Europe cost 23 lives during construction. I'm not
> talking about the fire that happened after it was open. If you look at any
> major project you will find the same. So you have been living in a
> protected cocoon if you did not know this.
>
> Twenty-three men lost their lives during the forty-four months of work:
> > fourteen workmen from the Italian side, seven workmen from the French
> > side and two mountain guides who disappeared during the preliminary
> > triangulation exercises.
> >
> <https://www.tunnelmb.net/en-US/history>
>
>
> “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by
> one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
> Edmund Burke
>
> J Bryan Krämer       North Florida, USA
> photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:16 PM Axel Emmermann <axel.emmermann at telenet.be
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, corvidae family! Smart like you wouldn't believe... and
> > love-birds, parrots, ....
> >
> > Cheers
> > Axel
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Rockhounds <rockhounds-bounces at rockhounds.drizzle.com> Namens
> > Michael Schmidt
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 16 juni 2020 18:51
> > Aan: Rockhounds at drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem
> > collectors <rockhounds at rockhounds.drizzle.com>
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations
> > estimated at 36
> >
> > or non bipedal crows.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Axel Emmermann
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:48 AM
> > To: 'Rockhounds at drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'
> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations
> > estimated at 36
> >
> > [Axel] That is a rather presumptuous statement! Even if your
> > definition of intelligence only includes bipedal creatures with
> > opposable thumbs, you might be surprised of what some apes can do with
> tools.
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