[Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations estimated at 36

[Axel Emmermann]

Some are. Dolphins, some birds, octopi, pass the mirror test.
They are sentient beings.

Axel


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Van: Rockhounds <rockhounds-bounces at rockhounds.drizzle.com> Namens J Bryan Kramer
Verzonden: dinsdag 16 juni 2020 22:09
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Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations estimated at 36

Octopus, apes, porpoises and crows are all smart ANIMALS, Sentient they are not.

> The loss of life associated with the US space program is very 
> unfortunate but many new technology or major engineering programs are 
> expected to cost lives.
> [Axel] I'm concerned about that way of thinking... It's like the 
> saying 'you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs'. I would find 
> it alarming if people who adhere to that creed would climb to power. 
> People are not eggs. NASA sent seven manned  Apollo missions to the 
> moon. One of those survived miraculously... So, the odds of going to 
> the moon safely are stacked in your favor for 85,7 %. See how many candidates you get.
>

Axel obviously you have not been to engineering school. Every major bridge, tunnel or major building has an expected loss of life calculated, reduced to monetary value and added into the predicted cost of the project. The Mont Blanc Tunnel in Europe cost 23 lives during construction. I'm not talking about the fire that happened after it was open. If you look at any major project you will find the same. So you have been living in a protected cocoon if you did not know this.

Twenty-three men lost their lives during the forty-four months of work:
> fourteen workmen from the Italian side, seven workmen from the French 
> side and two mountain guides who disappeared during the preliminary 
> triangulation exercises.
>
<https://www.tunnelmb.net/en-US/history>


“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
Edmund Burke

J Bryan Krämer       North Florida, USA
photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner


On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:16 PM Axel Emmermann <axel.emmermann at telenet.be>
wrote:

> Yes, corvidae family! Smart like you wouldn't believe... and 
> love-birds, parrots, ....
>
> Cheers
> Axel
>
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> Van: Rockhounds <rockhounds-bounces at rockhounds.drizzle.com> Namens 
> Michael Schmidt
> Verzonden: dinsdag 16 juni 2020 18:51
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> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations 
> estimated at 36
>
> or non bipedal crows.
>
> :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Axel Emmermann
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:48 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Number of contactable alien civilisations 
> estimated at 36
>
> [Axel] That is a rather presumptuous statement! Even if your 
> definition of intelligence only includes bipedal creatures with 
> opposable thumbs, you might be surprised of what some apes can do with tools.
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